Chalkhills Digest Volume 9, Issue 37
Date: Wednesday, 16 July 2003
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 9, Number 37
Wednesday, 16 July 2003
Topics:
Gloppy sentiment and other astounding fawcets of the human condition
Falkner, Fandom and Fuzzies
We Wanna Be Free
new No Wave
For completists only
Embarrasing records goes scientific
Ebay-n-Boots
Re: Rooney
Live recording help (post #1)
Fuzzy woohoo and more! (post #2)
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:23:58 -0700 From: "WAYNE KLEIN" <wtdk12@msn.com> Subject: Gloppy sentiment and other astounding fawcets of the human Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV106JADSBpG6000381fb@hotmail.com> condition Kevin commented: >>Thomas Dolby, someone else who hadn't recorded for a while but who had a kind of computer graphics project that he was doing on the side to keep his creative juices flowing. "Wow" exclaimed I, "how perfect is that!!!" My head would be reeling with so much good musical food. While it seemed to me that both these artists didn't come from the same musical backgrounds, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they might hook up and start coming up with a slightly daffy bit of skylarking on their own while Andy comes up with whatever else he was trying at that time.<< That would, indeed, be an interesting collaboration. My understanding is that Thomas Dolby's side project of creating music for games, etc. is actually his profession now. He makes quite a bit more $$ now. Darryl you're absolutely right--don't know what I was thinking. Warren Zevon's Stand in the Fire appeared on vinyl and cassette but never did debut on CD (what was I smoking?). It's too bad as it is a great live album catching Warren in his prime. As for FW 3 &4 after reading the track listings (and the import price), I've elected to wait on purchasing them. With the economy being what it is it isn't as essential as it might have been 5 years ago (when I had two less children to support). I'm sure I'll get them eventually. For $28.00 a piece (at amazon or ape), it's a bit steep for me. Unfortunately, Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King are currently wayyyy too expensive in my book. I understand they're limited editions in replica gatefold sleeves, etc. but there isn't enough value added to many of these items. Additionally, I've found that, once I've bought them, they show up domestically in one form or another. I went through this with the XTC back catalog as well. I had mixed feelings about them because of 1) cost 2) no additional bonus tracks. The fact that they showed up domestically at a lower price later also jaded me on these things. I'm sure both Rhino and King sound great but there's too little time in the world and not enough money to go round. I've coming to the realization that I'd like to spend both on other things much of the time. Disposable income ain't what it used to be and buying stuff I've bought before is just getting old. Damn, I must be getting old.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Bernhardt <beat_town@yahoo.com> Subject: Falkner, Fandom and Fuzzies Message-ID: <20030710125742.90812.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: Wayne Klein asked: > Anybody know if Jason's two CD Japanese import of 4 Track is worth picking > up? If the remakes aren't faithful, I'd be interested. All too often a > remake of another artist's song is little more than wallpaper drivel. It's > rare to find an interesting and truly original take on somebody else's work. Yeah, the two-disc set -- called "Everyone Says It's On" -- is absolutely worth it. The covers disc is full of great versions of a wide range of songs, a few faithful, but most "interpreted" by the great man hisself. Highly recommended by this rabid Falknerd. and: > If there wasn't such a hardcore devoted fan base for XTC (and the strong > sales for Apple Venus Volume 1), I'd bet that Virgin probably wouldn't have > reissued /remastered their back catalog as well. Yes, that's true, but it also doesn't hurt that it costs them very little in initial costs to create "new" products. They're mining the XTC lode, and guess who's getting shafted? (Yes, the band still has its "crap deal" with the label -- 13 percent, minus producer points, discounts by the label, etc., which often brings the band's take into the 5- to 6-percent [or less] range -- and are still fighting to renegotiate the terms of it.) Speaking of rip-offs, I'll post in riposte to Darryl and others who may feel as if the FW 3&4 dance (first publicized as available only via the APE Web site, now available through various retail outlets) is the result of some underhanded plan by AP to rip them off: It's not. Apparently, the original plan *was* to only offer FW 3&4 (and succeeding volumes) only through the site, but recently the *retailers* approached APE and requested that they be allowed to sell it as well. What would you do in Andy and Steve's situation? Of course you would offer it through as many outlets as you could, to reach as many people as you could, and sell as many copies as you could. As for the cost differential, there are several reasons: APE bears the full cost of creating the Warbles -- mixing and mastering, packaging (design and production), distribution, and any other intermediary stages in the product's life cycle. Andy also "adds value" by autographing the FWs sold through the APE site, which also holds enough copies of the discs in inventory that it will not run out of them (barring some unforseen peak in demand), even after the retailers do. So, people who buy the discs through the site (such as me) pay a premium. The retail outlets bear none of the initial costs to create the discs; they get the discs at a lower per-unit cost (because they buy them in bulk); and they're able to spread out their staffing and other fixed costs over a much larger base of sales. Their costs are lower, so they're able to offer the discs at a discount. Obviously, the ideal situation would have involved APE publicizing the fact that the discs would be available via a variety of outlets, but as I said above, the retailers' desire to sell the Warbles was a fairly recent development -- one that I hope will continue. We should probably all assume that future FW releases will be available through a variety of outlets, and plan our purchases accordingly. -Todd The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. -Oscar Wilde, writer (1854-1900)
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 06:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: We Wanna Be Free Message-ID: <20030710132233.59831.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> TB >As I've said before, copy protection and attempts to foil P2P file >sharing will always fail because of the ingenuity of people and the >inherent desire by those on the fringes to stick it to The Man. To which I say. YEAH, F*$(*$&$(*&#*&$#*&$(*&CK the Man! RIAA sucks, thanks for the link Todd. Mole
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:10:05 +0000 From: "don device" <ddevice@hotmail.com> Subject: new No Wave Message-ID: <Sea2-F37csNnOV7TPJ800003e6c@hotmail.com> chalkers all, a bit back tyler hewitt said: "No New York- The infamous Brian Eno-produced lp documenting the 'no wave' scene of late '70's New York. A great album, the Contortions tracks capture them at their speaker-shredding best. Essential listening. This supposedly had a very brief cd relese on John Zorn's Japanese label Avant, but I've never seen it. For those of you interested in the no-wave scene, Rhys Chatham has released stunning 3 CD career retrospective called 'an angel moves to fast to see'. If you are unaware of this amazing guitarist/composer, you should check it out. One CD includes compositions for 100 guitars... Wes, read the Coling interview. Nice job, it was about time someone got him to stick his head out of his cave. don device "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, its too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:33:14 +0100 From: "Nicholson, Gary" <gnicholson@britannica.co.uk> Subject: For completists only Message-ID: <645D223258C17F4EB9F92F239111E8BF063E17@exc050uk.uk.britannica.net> A new (7th July 2003) collection, Rough Trade: Post Punk Vol.1 includes 'This is Pop'? - The Langeified version rather than the Leckiefied version. It also includes 43 other songs, mainly from around 1977-1985, but with a few from the last couple of years. Featured Artists include Scritti Politti, Blurt, Wire, The Flying Lizards, Swell Maps, Essential Logic and the great Crispy Ambulance. My wife is absolutely delighted I've got it..... ....Actually she isn't. Yours for GBP11.99 from Amazon.co.uk Gary Nicholson
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:38:01 -0400 From: "Kevin Hiscock" <khiscock@hidebound.com> Subject: Embarrasing records goes scientific Message-ID: <OFFD3E84F6.87BA6B4C-ON86256D60.0060BFE1-85256D60.0060E6A9@prominic.com> don't know if y'all seen this one yet: |An Australian article about research on the correlation |between personality and musical taste: | | http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/10/1057783259813.html | |And the (dense, technical) paper it's based on: | | http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/faculty/Gosling/reprints/ | jpsp03musicdimensions.pdf cheers.kah kevin a. hiscock | yahoo IM-khiscock | http://www.hidebound.com home of The Monster and radio hidebound currently spinning: Call - Flesh And Steel
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Long <optimismsflames@yahoo.com> Subject: Ebay-n-Boots Message-ID: <20030712191713.27745.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Kidz - If you've punched XTC into the search engine at Ebay, you've probably found a butt-load of bootlegs often going for fairly lumpy sums. I recently emailed the fellow who has been selling the Andy Partridge from A to Z boots - and threatened to turn him in to Ebay. He responded quickly and promised to remove the auctions. If you search Ebay and run across similar crap - please do the same... contact the seller and give him a chance to remove the auction. If he does not, file a grievance against him with Ebay. Thanks, wesLONG http://www.optimismsflames.com
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:12:09 -0400 From: "Miranda Phifer" <mightbeSpy@ecoisp.com> Subject: Re: Rooney Message-ID: <005d01c349ce$dd5917c0$6b3b8d41@0021434253> <Would that be the same Jason Schwartzman that's the drummer in Phantom Planet?> sure is. i actually met him over a year ago when Phantom Planet played in Tampa, FL. nice guy, pretty good band. i like Rooney as well... should prob go out and get their album. g'night chalkers, miranda
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:30:51 -0700 From: "Thomas Vest" <tvtwo@hotmail.com> Subject: Live recording help (post #1) Message-ID: <Law10-F12673I4RTJMD0000e567@hotmail.com> Hello fellow friends. A co-worker of mine recently got an XTC bootleg for me from a trading list group that he belongs to. He did not give me the date and I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me when this show might have taken place. I suspect early 1980 from the set let. I think it might the 01/16/80 at Hurrah's in NYC put out as the Rhythm. I've not hear this so I cannot be sure and the cd I have been given has an extra track at the end (Science Friction as an encore). Checking out xtc4u.org and also optimisms flames websites confirms that I might be right on the date though the track list xtc4u.org matches mine but says the show might be from 01/14/80 at My Father's Place on Long Island. Here is the track list and I have included the between song banter and intros to the next one song in case that may help 1) Reel by Reel (the 2nd ? is why weren't you here last night?) 2) When You're Near me I have difficulty (I would like you to move to this song because it would please me to see you move) 3) Life Begins at the Hop (Ok this is the Rhythm) 4) The Rhythm (Thanks very much...by the way, we have 3 albums available...don't be fooled, there are two others.... The new one is Drums and Wires, spend your cents wisely) 5) Roads Girdle the Globe (this next song is going to be a single in America, our first single in America, its called Ten Feet Tall...) 6) Ten Feet Tall 7) Helicopter (People say what's it like to be in a group? Is it difficult to play an instrument? And all I say is No! its very, very easy... you can all be famous... This Is Pop... 8) This Is Pop (feedback... noise leading into...) 9) Battery Brides (Thanks very much, thank you...unintelligible... this is Instant Tunes) 10) Instant Tunes 11) Crowded Room 12) Complicated Game 13) Making Plans For Nigel (This is an oldie from moldie from the first album, you're being recorded for radio if you want to make some noise on the air) 14) Radios in Motion (This is gonna be the last one this evening. Are you receiving me? Wake up NY, are you receiving me?... one, two three four! 15) Are You Receiving me? (Good night, thanks for having us, good night, we'll see you again tomorrow night, thank you again) Break up in the live recording continuity here Sorry to keep you waiting... you're being recorded on the radio tonight, so if you ever had the inclination to say something rude on the air- (you know bum, tit, willy and all that sort of thing --- someone other than Andy said this), you can do it right now. If you really want some more, well lets put it straight. Do you want some more?) 16) Science Friction (good night, thank you again, thanks for having us, good night) Any ideas if this is the "The Rhythm Bootleg" from 01/16/03 or something else? Please email me off list at tvtwo@hotmail.com Thanks very much. Thomas
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:18:46 -0700 From: "Thomas Vest" <tvtwo@hotmail.com> Subject: Fuzzy woohoo and more! (post #2) Message-ID: <LAW10-F49llGhxKgv9o000130c1@hotmail.com> Wow!! got my #'s 3 & 4 in the mail yesterday morning. thank you, thank you Andy!!! very happy here and they have not left my computer at work nor my stereo at home; each have gotten four or five spins... recording them tonight on MD for the daily commute as well. anyone else love the wonderful quirky beats of "You Like Me?"... more please!!!! how about the melody in "Goodbye Humanosauras" and how it sounds like the same in "Then She Appeared" (about 36 seconds in the song for the former and 42 second in the latter)... shiverssssss! "Train Running Low on Soul Coal" makes me want to listen to Big Express a whole lot more... still not one of my favorites... but its growing on me. Love the liner bits on Holly Up On Poppy.... very sweet I don't think I will ever think of James and the Giant Peach in the same light after hearing "All I dream of is a Friend" "Mechnanical Planet" has a cool ass grove! i noticed on these two cd's that the spines are not backwards like the first two cd's are. Makes me wonder if the first two were printed incorrectly (try turning the back cd insert around and you'll see that it is possible, but i know cd's in the UK and the rest of the world are frequently printed the "wrong" way? i saw volume three at our local used cd shop / former bowling alley in sf on Sunday. they were asking $21 for it. everyone has been saying what a great record the new fountains of wayne is. could not agree more. excellent. "Supercollider" sounds like so many great 90's britpop anthems that others tried and failed to make. also really dig the new annie lennox disc "Bare"... yeah, i know its slow and a bit melancholy... but she still sings sweet. other recommendations: Visqueen's "Head Music" & Tosca "Dehli9" Cheers! Wolfeddy Fox NP fuzzy warbles / 3 & 4 ac/dc / dirty deed done dirt cheap gary numan / pleasure principle fountains of wayne / "welcome interstate managers" PS> Phil, thanks for the super hat!
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