Chalkhills Digest Volume 3, Issue 8
Date: Tuesday, 8 October 1996
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 8
Tuesday, 8 October 1996
Today's Topics:
So near and yet . . .
Young Cleopatra, Heads
that darned tmbg song again
Good Radio
Skylacking!
Paul Fox revisited
Oh, lots o' stuff.
Dead Dog's Eyeball & drunk ecstacy
Re: A Quick One
Re: A Paul Fox Production
Re: A Quick One
Mr. Partridge vs. Dave Kendall
Re: Chalkhills Digest #3-7
First on the swearing thing, Re #3-7
Hardtack and the would be censors
A continuation of the previously sent post about hardtack and censors
Andy Partridge Interview
Cola Wars
Oranges & Lemons - MTV performance
Re: XTC radio tour 89
Spelling errors, and other stuff
Oh do I feel like an ass right now.
XTC Live
New Copy of FF 4 Sale
Re: A Paul Fox Production
Filling spaces in my shelf...
The Price Of Fuel In Canada
Quotes and notes
Heads and Giants
JASON FALKNER
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <199610071920.UAA26344@aoife.indigo.ie> From: "Peter Fitzpatrick" <beatle@indigo.ie> Subject: So near and yet . . . Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:23:59 +0100 Had one of those "oooh, so near and yet so far" experiences today. (background : I'm 30 & live in Dublin,Ireland so was a little to young to go to see the boys when they played in Dublin) Put on Fossil Fuel in the "office" (well, actually its a multimedia production facility but who's counting...) audio engineer/ex-musician #1 walks out and says : "ah ! yes ! (to the strains of "Are you receiving me?" XTC. How I loved that band etc etc etc" "nice" I thought audio engineer/record producer #2 walks out and says : "ah ! yes ! (to the strains of "Are you receiving me?" XTC. How I loved that band etc etc etc I've got a whole bunch of their early vinyl , ya know coloured stuff, freebies etc. would you like them ?" "even nicer !!" I thought audio engineer/record producer #3 walks out and says : "ah ! yes ! (to the strains of "Are you receiving me?" XTC. How I loved that band etc etc etc I've got a whole bunch of their early vinyl , ya know coloured stuff, freebies etc. would you like them ?" no prizes for guessing my answer audio engineer/record producer #3 walks out and says : "ah ! yes ! (to the strains of "Are you receiving me?" XTC ! ! ! We opened for them when they played UCD in Dublin." ....at this point I decided to go home . . . now listening to : XTC "Fossil Fuel" http://aoife.indigo.ie/~beatle
------------------------------ From: Martin_Monkman@fincc04.fin.gov.bc.ca Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Young Cleopatra, Heads Message-id: <9609078447.AA844728417@FINSMTP1.FIN.GOV.BC.CA> Joshua H-B writes (among other things!): >The sad thing is that XTC *did* do a full-band version of Young Cleopatra >already (only found on the Demos 7 bootleg) and it's not really that good. >It's way too fast. Maybe they'll do *another* one. Yeah, that would be >cool. :) YC is better than many of the songs that actually made it onto >Murmur, IMHO. What??? Better than "Talk About The Passion" and "Radio Free Europe"? ;-) The other topic: The new Heads album is reviewed in the newest Rolling Stone mag, getting severely panned (2 out of 5). Andy was mentioned but once (and only in the list of contributors). The gist of the review is that without Byrne the remaining Heads aren't a very creative band, and that the collection of singer/lyricists didn't have much foundation to build upon. Anyone out there care to elaborate or refute? Martin
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:12:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Van Veen <doug@wfu.edu> Subject: that darned tmbg song again Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.91.961007190733.18167A-100000@acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu> Well, I wasn't going to bother about this, as my memory fails me about specifics, but no-one else piped up as far as I can see, so ... At the TMBG show at the Mercury Lounge in NYC early this summer, the John's introduced our favorite little XTC-related tune as a parody of a supposedly true editorial decision labored over by the folks who brought you that new Rolling Stone History of R'n'R tome concerning who, given space considerations, was going to make into the book and who was going to be cut. Dug Graves
------------------------------ Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961007231517.0b5f320a@cic-mail.lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 17:15:17 -0600 From: DeWitt Henderson <dewitth@lanl.gov> Subject: Good Radio Hey chalkers - I was driving to work this morning listening to KTAO - "the world's largest solar radio station" - in Taos, NM, and I heard a Jason Faulkner song followed by "Ten Feet Tall". Yeah! And in a lot of big cities, it's top-40-only followed by more top-forty-only. (Sorry, not really trying to gloat, but I hate those homogenized stations). * ------------------------------ DeWitt Henderson Los Alamos National Laboratory CIC-13 MS P223 Los Alamos, NM 87544 505/665-0720 **(NEW phone #)** * ------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:11:07 -0700
From: relph (John Relph)
Message-Id: <199610080011.RAA25942@mando.engr.sgi.com>
Subject: Skylacking!
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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:15:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199610072315.SAA28646@sky.net> From: Scott Taylor <staylor@sky.net> Subject: Paul Fox revisited Going way off-topic RE: Derek Miner's Paul Fox comments in answer to my query several issues back >>They Might Be Giants - John Henry >I also liked a rather obscure Fox-produced album called "Cereal Killers" by >Too Much Joy. I was just shocked to discover the disc was out of print. The I guess I knew that he'd done _John Henry_... this one slipped my mind when I was groping for examples in my first post. I'm a big TMBG fan, although stylistically this is not my favorite of their albums. Simon Knight also suggested _Our Time In Eden_ from 10,000 Maniacs. Another one that I have way back in the back of my collection, unlistened to these many years. I'll have to pull it out again. Too Much Joy's _Cereal Killers_... Again, I am surprised to hear that Paul Fox did this one, but on learning so, not at all surprised that it's in my collection too! Not my favorite TMJ album, either (have to go for _Son of Sam I Am_ or _Mutiny_ over this) but on reflection I can hear Paul's influence in it. (Even further off-topic digression: I read a story on CDNow! that Newt Gingrich, of all people, had become enamored with one of the tracks from this CD, the "Theme Song", which featured the lyric "To create, you must destroy, smash a glass and cry 'Too Much Joy!'". Seems he thought it fit well with the sentiment of the 1994 Republican revolution. They even had a scan of a thank-you note on his official letterhead.) Thanks to everybody who responded with Paul Fox suggestions. Now back to XTC. +-----------------------------+ | Scott M. Taylor | | staylor@sky.net | | http://www.sky.net/~staylor | +-----------------------------+
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v03007802ae7f4c6b8ac9@[206.98.168.73]> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:29:08 -0400 From: Ira Lieman <aym@intercall.com> Subject: Oh, lots o' stuff. Howdy folks, just thought I'd delurk for a change and put in my 2 shillings for the fellows who keep this thing a-movin'. Firstly, I love shopping for CDs in New York, because I was able to get the new TMBG disc on Saturday night. And it comes out tomorrow. So I was playing "XTC vs. Adam Ant" all day at work. Aah, Nirvana. Well, no, we can't say Nirvana. I also picked up Fossil Fuels at a more local record store (Hoboken, NJ) for the unbelievable price of $33 -- in the cool case. I was staring at it all night last night. If you contact Kerry who works at the store (mailto:wiggum@juno.com) maybe he'll be able to work out a deal with ya to ship it in the U.S. -- I see they had like 4 or 5 copies left. I met a fellow Chalkholio this weekend (howdy, John!) and we spent much time listening to music and expounding on the philosophies contained therein, and then we got into a discussion about how much money a musician should make before they are considered successful. My theory is that if someone is capable of making enough money to live solely by music, that's successful. To me, this means if they don't need another job to pay for food, rent, etc. I would assume that at least Dave and Andy are able to subsist on their musical careers -- they're appearing just about everywhere nowadays and they're very well respected in their field, yadda yadda yadda. But what about Colin? Has he done anything musical that hasn't been XTC in the past few years? Does he have a day job? Just wondering. And is it just me or do the liner lyrics in Fossil Fuels leave some things out? Sing along to "No Thugs In Our House" and there are three lines missing in the first verse! What's up with that? And why is "Senses" edited? That just bugs me. And did they *HAVE TO* use the rated-G version of "Respectable Street?" I mean, puhleeze! Virgin Records again puts style before substance and makes a few glaring omissions and misteaks that could have been solved by a read-through. I should march right in to the Virgin Megastore, ask to speak to Richard Branson, and wiggle my nose derisively. Hoping my purchase of Fossil Fuels put some well-deserved cash in the pockets of my favorite band, -ira < - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Ira Lieman - aym@intercall.com <> http://www.intercall.com/~aym "If the opposite of pro is con, what's the opposite of progress?"
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199610080128.VAA10591@itchy.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 21:19:32 -0400 From: Matthew Jason NeSmith <jnesmith@atl.mindspring.com> Subject: Dead Dog's Eyeball & drunk ecstacy As Mitch Friedman and John know very well, >>K. McCarty 'Dead Dog's Eyeball' - Songs of Daniel Johnston is a fine, fine album. It'll make you laugh, it'll make you cry. Try these lyrics on for size... "People say that we're an unlikely couple Doris Day and Mott the Hupple: Well, they're usually less silly than that. Daniel's songs are like cartoon drawings of his manic depression and unconditional love. His early albums were mostly recorded on a boom box with a Sears chord organ and a Smurfs guitar, his voice sounds underdeveloped (when he sings "I'm only twenty-two" he sounds like he's eight) and his sense of rhythm is--to put it politely-- sorta be-bop. But in Daniel's world, it all works. What Kathy McCarty has done is take these line drawings and re-work them in chalk and oil paints, sometimes taking what I previously assumed was his right hand absent-mindedly flopping about the high notes and turned it into a beautiful, accesable arrangement for strings. End of soap-box review. On an XTC note, how can a person such as myself come across the "drunken jam sessions"? I have a morbid fascination by shit like that. Jason /////////////////////GOOD MUSIC CHEAP\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | ##_####_## from | ## /@ /@ # ___________ | # ,___\___, < Lookit Meee! ) | # \+++++/ Records | ----~| |~---- | All LP length cassettes!! $5 plus shipping | write to Jason Nesmith 1226 Stoneybrook Dr. SE | Atlanta, GA 30316 --or-- | email jnesmith@mindspring.com for details visit the Orange Hat cyberhose page!! www.mindspring.com/~jnesmith
------------------------------ Message-ID: <3259B86B.79038B8E@boardwalk.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:11:55 -0700 From: Kevin Collins <kevinc@boardwalk.net> Subject: Re: A Quick One dgershmn <dgershmn@ametsoc.org> elucidated thusly: >Does anyone know how many vinyl copies >of "Skylarking" were printed up with >"Mermaid Smiled" before "Dear God" was >substituted? I dunno but I picked a used copy up a couple weeks ago in very good condition for about 3 bucks!
------------------------------ Message-ID: <3259BDCA.AA6324E@boardwalk.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:34:50 -0700 From: Kevin Collins <kevinc@boardwalk.net> Subject: Re: A Paul Fox Production dcm80229@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Derek Miner) spake like this: >Now back to that Paul Fox thread... >I also liked a rather obscure Fox-produced album called "Cereal Killers" by >Too Much Joy. I was just shocked to discover the disc was out of print. The >band is still around though, making the same snot-nosed loud power pop. Ahhh.. yes! A mention of my other favorite pop band of the 90s (the other being Jellyfish). TMJ are a tour de force in wisecracking fun, a Mad magazine rock band if you will. Sadly their New York base prevents them from visiting California much anymore, since they make music that's too smart for most of the buying public (hmmmm.. sound familiar xtc fans?) and tours are rather expensive. They have a pretty new CD called "Finally" that has a censored cover of a couple naked on a bed obviously just having haad sex. But it also referred to how long it took to record the record too. good stuff- buy TMJ. You'll like it.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v01540b02ae7f8afdc0a3@[139.80.100.145]> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:38:47 +1100 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: A Quick One >Does anyone know how many vinyl copies of "Skylarking" were printed up with "Mermaid Smiled" before "Dear God" was substituted? Hi Dave - here in New Zealand (and I think in Australia too) Dear God was never substituted for Mermaid Smiled. I've never seen a copy of Skylarking (either on LP or CD) with the track Dear God on it. Here, DG was only a single. James
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:20:04 -0400 (EDT) From: A tree is best measured when it is cut down <rwallace@warren-wilson.edu> Subject: Mr. Partridge vs. Dave Kendall Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.95.961007231820.76C-100000@owl.warren-wilson.edu.> Anyone watch 120 minutes eons ago when that wanker guy Dave Kendall was the host? Well I have a tape of it when Andy Partridge was co-hosting it. Very funny. Anyway, andy said something that I thought I should pass on: "I'd give my right arm to be in Def Leppard." there you go. "Without music, life would be an error." -- neitzche
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v03010402ae7f78c200b2@[206.15.131.193]> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:57:30 -0500 From: Gene Yoon <isksa@zipnet.net> Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #3-7 To everyone's relief I haven't posted in a while, but this got my fingers itchy... >From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com> > >In the past fourteen >years, XTC have become *awful* live. I mean *horrible*. Anyone who's heard >the 1991 "Live from Andy's shed" show knows what I mean -- the band couldn't >play in time with each other, about half of the songs just fell apart in the >middle, and the playing was just bad. I'm sorry, but they need to go into >training for a while before they hit the road again. Can't say I heard the '91 "Live from Andy's shed" (tho I'd love to, how come I never heard of this before?), but I did hear the '89 Acoustic Radio tour performances, which were, on the whole, very good. I remember their MTV show sounded great. And those were new arrangements for acoustic guitars, yet they were very much together, the only real screw ups being Andy missing a lyric or two. If our three guys put together a public performance in earnest, and it sounds like this '91 thing was just them messing around for fun (correct me if I'm wrong), then I don't think I'd be going out on a limb to guess they'd work hard to do it well. Especially Andy being the notorious perfectionist he is. While I'm at it-- I was listening to the radio again (force of habit) and I noticed that the guitar solo in No Doubt's "I'm Just a Girl" sounds an awful lot like the riff from Ten Feet Tall. And I might as well add-- An XTC-sanctioned compilation CD of old demos?! Forces That Be: please please please make this a reality! I don't care if it's the dozenth version, but Young Cleopatra would be a hit! Here's my oh-so-clever idea for a name: "Shed Lite". Presumably they'd be recorded in Andy's shed. "Lite" referring to the fact they're not full-fledged studio recordings. And they'd certainly shed some light on what direction xtc is headed musically. ....yes? mmm, maybe no..... Thanks for your patience. Gene
------------------------------ Message-ID: <3259CCF6.7A65@sirus.com> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 23:40:58 -0400 From: Peter Dresslar <pdresslar@sirus.com> Subject: First on the swearing thing, Re #3-7 First on the swearing thing, I'd be surprised if someone came along and shut *this* group down. However, I've always liked it that the tone on the group is generally, well, nice. Fuck is not a very friendly word, although that fact itself is perhaps they greatest of inversions. Anyway, Amanda's use of the word in a quote seems pretty valid. We're all grownups, and if we aren't, well, welcome to Earth, kids. ............ Like, all Americans live of a diet > of pure McDonalds and Taco-Bell, drive cars the size of buses and > carry fully-automatic hand-guns for use in the event that they get > road-rage! Pepsi and Coca-Cola are foul anyway....... Um, okay, but it's really like that here. My stomach hurts, and I need another clip. > From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) > Has anyone else noticed a newsgroup called alt.fan.andy-j-partridge? Is > this OUR Andy? And if so, how come there are NEVER any posts in it? It wouldn't matter. *This* is home. ------------------- Peter Dresslar Holland MI USA
------------------------------ From: Floopyglop@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: <961008001155_204770581@emout06.mail.aol.com> Subject: Hardtack and the would be censors Hi! In Chalkhills 3-5 Jes wrote: >This may end up sounding like a flame but I took a bit of offense at AMANDA >OWENS using the phrase "How many people can you mind-f*** at once?", and >attributing it to "Mr. Partridge" as her "XTC quote of the day." >Where on earth is this "quote" found? I've seen it somewhere before, but I don't know for sure where it was. Here's a similar Andy quote from the May 19, 1992 issue of Reflex magazine: >>"It was just depressing me too much to be out there doing such a >>stressful thing." explains Andy. "Plus, we really didn't make the >>transition very well from small pub/club band to fillers of ice hockey >>stadiums the world over. I couldn't actually get to have mind sex with >>15,000 people. I just about managed to have mind sex with 150, but 15,000 >>was stretching the old mental penis a bit." So, you see, it wouldn't be entirely inconcievable that Andy substituted the word "fuck" for "sex" during another interview... > What possible context could it have in this newsgroup and what did it >have to do with her message other than to give her and all of the other >Beavis' and Buttheads something to snicker about? >We find ourselves, as a group who trades ideas on the Internet, to be >in a precarious position of wishing to protect our freedom to do so, and >messages like this only give ammunition to those who would like to shut down >our freedom. You're mistaken, Jes. This is a mailing list, not a newsgroup. Watchdog groups are preoccupied with protecting children from pornography and other undesirable elements in cyberspace. Being a mailing list, no one can crosspost obscene material to this list. However, no such restriction exists on the newsgroups, so they can do their worst to everyone through the modern day curse of indiscriminate crossposting. The newsgroup and chat rooms are the primary concern of these watchdog groups, not the mailing lists. For someone to find Amanda Owens' XTC quote, they would have to first know who XTC is (which is not very likely, they're just not that popular), use one of the search engines to access the site, access the archives and go through the back issues, post by post. With the thousands and thousands of mailing lists out there, does this seem realistic to you? As for the Beavis and Butthead comment, remember this is an XTC newsgroup! No one exhibiting Beavis and Butthead's qualities would be caught dead listening to "Nonsuch". Too pretty, too melodic, too smart...
------------------------------ From: Floopyglop@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 01:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <961008005959_121335805@emout09.mail.aol.com> Subject: A continuation of the previously sent post about hardtack and censors Anyway, as I was saying... In Chalkhills 3-5, the honorable Sara Lloyd, poised over her computer, typed these fateful words: >No, I had never heard the "oranges and lemons" rhyme before, and I don't >want to speak for the entire US, but no one that I know has ever heard >the rhyme either, so my guess is that it is not widely known in the US. I've never heard of it either. We've got much cooler nursery rhymes here in the States. Finally, I believe someone asked what hardtack was. According to my copy of The Civil War: An Illustrated History (the companion guide to the Ken Burns documentary), hardtack are "...square flour-and-water biscuits so hard, some said, they could stop bullets. 'It was no uncommon occurrence,' a Union veteran remembered, 'for a man to find the surface of his pot of coffee swimming with weevils after breaking up hardtack in it...but they were easily skimmed off and left no distinctive flavor behind'." (Geoffrey C. Ward/Ken Burns/Ric Burns) Does that make your mouth water or what? Dave O'Connell York PA <floopyglop@aol.com> P.S. Does Andy record demo versions of his demo recordings? I'm reading this Chalkhills article on Dave Gregory and he mentions doing the string arrangments for the home demo of "1000 Umbrellas" (performed on synthesizer). How much input do the band members have on each other's demos? I always thought they worked alone, in solitude, with a cold dark lonely silence between the three... P.S.S. Tired of all those monochromatic home pages? Want some down home redneck Texas A&M style hospitality? Then, by all means, visit fellow Chalkhillian Sara Lloyd's Home Page O' Cow Tippin' at: http://acs.tamu.edu/~sol3804
------------------------------ From: "DELRUE STEPHANE" <CRS.DELRUE.S@alpha.ufsia.ac.be> Organization: University of Antwerp - UFSIA Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:15:10 +0200 Subject: Andy Partridge Interview Message-ID: <1C8E9110797@alpha.ufsia.ac.be> Hello fellow Chalkhillians ! I taped a 30 min. interview with Andy Partridge last Friday on Studio Brussels. Anybody interested? I'm still interested in those ..... (Shtttt !!) nobody is talking about any more... E-mail me privately ! Stephane Delrue. Kon. Elisabethlei 10 2018 Antwerpen Belgium Tel.: (xx32) (3) 248.56.95 Office : University of Antwerp Prinsstraat 13 2000 Antwerpen Tel.: (xx32) (3) 220.43.49. CRS.DELRUE.S@alpha.ufsia.ac.be
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v02110107ae7fe6169bb0@[134.32.48.138]> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:09:14 +0100 From: varga@ferndown.ate.slb.com (Stephen Varga) Subject: Cola Wars This thread has got rather out of hand. However, I can't fail to mention that had Life Begins at the Hop been written some 15 years later, perhaps the lyrics would have been re-written as Virgin Cola on tap!
------------------------------ Message-Id: <01BBB4F0.28009C60@yack00pc.nbhd.org> From: "Michael A. Yackanich" <mikey@nbhd.org> Subject: Oranges & Lemons - MTV performance Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:10:21 -0400 Please forgive me if this has been addressed in the past; I just signed on to this list a week ago. I was SURE I was one in a million who followed XTC throughout the past 10 years - and was pleasantly surprised to find this list. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of XTC's acoustic performance on MTV that took place in support of their Oranges and Lemon's concert? Thanks.
------------------------------ From: "Volker Dieling" <dieling@hrz1.uni-oldenburg.de> Organization: University Of Oldenburg Comp.Center Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:16:24 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: Re: XTC radio tour 89 Message-ID: <2593DC35DB7@hrz1.uni-oldenburg.de> Hi fellow XTC-loonies ! In Chalkhills # 2-145 DeWitt Henderson told about the radio tour XTC made in 1989 in the USA to promote Oranges&Lemons. I do own a CD of them at two Boston radio stations. On it there are brilliant unplugged versions of quite a lot of songs plus very funny and interesting interviews. Unfortunately the sound quality isn't too good, but it's alright for me. I am willing to tape it for any interested chalkhillians. So, hang on to the best band in universe,and always remember the sun...... Lemoncurry dieling@hrz1.pcnet.uni-oldeburg.de Lemons shall rule the world !
------------------------------ From: Ben Gott <bgott@mail.hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us> Subject: Spelling errors, and other stuff Message-ID: <SIMEON.9610080941.A@library1.mail.hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Did anyone else notice, on the press release for FF (available on the Chalkhills web site), that there were two misnomers: "This World is Over," and "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkin Head." Hmmm. Also - if anyone's interested, there were 2 XTC references in that bastion of culture, "Entertainment Weekly." One was in a review of "No Talking, Just Head" (am I right on the title?), and the other was that the new Crash Test Dummies album was like a "third-rate XTC." Speaking of which - CTD fans! Anyone have the new album? Anyone like to tape it/trade for something with me? I don't have any $$ to buy the CD yet! Please let me know. That's it for now. Off to math. ---------------------- Ben Gott bgott@mail.hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 09:06:22 -0600 (CST) From: AMANDA OWENS <ACOEA@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Subject: Oh do I feel like an ass right now. Message-id: <01IAE7PN9YN0901FKW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Joshua....I apologise. I didn't read the hwole thing and didn't realise you were responding to a world class arsehole who had flamed me. Once again, I'M SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) I must have missed that little complaint about my usage of an actual Partridge quote, because this is all news to me. All I have to say is WHAT THE HELL IS THE BIG DEAL?!?!?!?!?!?! I don't know about other countries, but in this country, otherwise known as the United States, there is a such thing as free speech. Besides which, the quote came straight from the horse's mouth, in a Rolling Stone interview from around the time O&L was released. You may take offense at Mr. Partridge's language and my subsequent post of it, but don't you EVER DARE refer to me alongside the likes of Beavis and Butthead again,. whoeverthe hell you are. Who died and made you God? You don't even know me. I used the quote because I thought it was a very amusing Partridge-ism about his dislike of touring. I'm sure of the Man Himself posted to online boards and digests he'd defend me against people like yourself. God, my blood is about to reach boiling point right now I'm so mad. Why was I being singled out? I'm not the first person in the world to say the word "fuck" online, and I certainly won't be the last. You have got me ticked off beyond all comprehension right now, I don't even know what to say. PS-To everyone who defended me, b/c I didn't even know about this whole thing, thanks. I guess I'll have to quit leaving little quotes here and there because one little person seemed to be offended. If anyone else was, please, state your case. Just don't take the name calling route and refer to me as a childish cartoon. And another thing, about the comment having nothing to do with the actual note..I didn't realise taglines had to be in full and complete harmony with all postings to the net. Sorry, guess I'm just another Beavis and Butthead, aren't I? Thanks for listening to this amazingly wretched rant, Amanda Owens SO AS NOT TO OFFEND, I WILL POST A HORRIBLY MUNDANE QUOTE TODAY..... "Freedom of speech, just watch what you say"-Ice-T.
------------------------------ From: Damian Foulger <Foulger@cardiff.ac.uk> Organization: UWCC Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:40:24 GMT Subject: XTC Live Message-ID: <4B1E85A7490@nrd2s.cf.ac.uk> Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com> wrote: > To tell the truth, I'm not in favor of this idea. Why? In the past > fourteen years, XTC have become *awful* live. I mean *horrible*. > Anyone who's heard the 1991 "Live from Andy's shed" show knows what > I mean -- the band couldn't play in time with each other, about half > of the songs just fell apart in the middle, and the playing was just >bad. I'm sorry, but they need to go into training for a while before > they hit the road again. I've not heard "Live from Andy's shed", but I do have the Adventure Club Sessions with XTC playing Blue Beret live and acoustic and it sounds great. They are together and with it throughout the whole song. (Life is good in the greenhouse:XTC) "I am quite happy to wear cotton without knowing how it works" - Black Adder
------------------------------ Subject: New Copy of FF 4 Sale From: wwilson@mail07.mitre.org (Wesley H. Wilson) Message-Id: <961008124749.13190@mail07.mitre.org.0> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 12:47:50 -0400 Listen, I'd love to keep this copy of FF that I have. But I just can't afford it now. So, I'll sell it for $35, postage paid. I played only three songs. It's in mint condition. I'll send it to you when I receive your check. E-mail me at wwilson@mitre.org I also have Oasis's "What's the Story, Morning Glory?" on vinyl, new 2-LP set, for $15 (UK pressing). Bought it, but can't afford to keep it. It has one bonus track, "Bonehead's Bank Holiday," which is not on the U.S. CD. By the way, is the new Robyn Hitchcock album any good? Wes
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <199610081840.LAA07565@norway.it.earthlink.net>
From: David Schneider <dnschneider@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: A Paul Fox Production
>I also liked a rather obscure Fox-produced album called "Cereal Killers" by
>Too Much Joy. I was just shocked to discover the disc was out of print. The
>band is still around though, making the same snot-nosed loud power pop.
>"Cereal Killers" tempered the brattiness of the band with some pretty
>melodic music, however. I have a hunch this was largely due to Fox, since
>the band's other three discs have been a bit more "harsh" musically. I
>don't know if this is really for XTC fans, but I'm willing to bet I'm not
>the only one who has a Too Much Joy disc!
You aren't... and I agree with your comments, except I think that their
first album, 'Son Of Sam I Am' was much more melodic then you're giving it
credit for. Give it another listen! Good to know there are other TMJ fans
out there among Chalkhilians.
Back to XTC... I too went out, sought out, and shelled out a big bag full of
money for the lmt. edition of Fossil Fuels, even though I already own
everything on it. No regrets, though... it does sound great, and I don't
mind spending the money letting them know we're out here. Same complaints
about the liner notes as most everyone else, though... come on, such a cool
cover, I think they coulda spent as much time on the inside. Oh well, the
music is still great, even if I have nothing to read while listening...
David Schneider
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From: "Witter, Karl F" <witterkf@aetna.com>
Subject: Filling spaces in my shelf...
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:41:00 -0400
This is my first post after reading backissues. I'm soliciting
(not that!) input by much longer-term fans to increase my
musical enjoyment of all things Swindonian.
Only 2 years ago I started with SL and O&L at a used record
store. Savoring my way rather backwards through the catalog,
I've added NS, then ES and TBE. The last was a leap, cos I
hadn't heard a note of it, however, all of them have been
incredibly rewarding ("but of course!" I hear you say).
Eventually all the albums will grace my shelves, but which next?
For my upcoming b'day, what should I hint to my girlfriend as
being *that perfect gift for someone special*: The Black Sea,
Drums and Wires, Go2, Mummer, White Music, or maybe Live in
Concert (BBC 1980) or Drums and Wireless? Curious for opinions
and reasons, and add whether it should be the CD or LP.
>>Any responses can be sent privately to witterkf@aetna.com.<<
After 4+ years of cohabbing, I've been able to convince my
sig-oth that XTC aren't a bunch of "whiny Brits". (Oddly
tough sell, since she's been listening to alternative rock
long before it was a 30-song preprogrammed radio playlist.)
Cherubim not only cheered, but did that wave as well,
Karl
------------------------------ Message-Id: <l03010500ae8064ca7865@[207.102.215.70]> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:53:59 -0700 From: daniel zibin <dzibin@bc.sympatico.ca> Subject: The Price Of Fuel In Canada Hello everyone, This is my first post, greetings from Canada. My local CD store brought in two copies of the limited edition UK import of Fossil Fuel. Nothing really unusual about that, it seems to be available everywhere. What's amazing is the price: $23.99 CDN ($17.50 US, 11.50 UK). Not a bad price for an import. If anyone would like the last copy ( I bought the first, of course), contact me. (Ther must not be any other XTC fans in my small town - the second copy has not sold in two weeks!)
------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961008213849.006c566c@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 17:38:49 -0400 From: jes <xtc@mindspring.com> Subject: Quotes and notes I was not surprised to get my share of flames over my last diatribe about Ms. Owens' use of the f-word in her tagline. I was not surprised because most of the writers on this forum are open-minded. Perhaps a little TOO open minded sometimes. It however is worth defending my point. the usual suspects wrote in to voice their opinions, so I would like to defend mine. first we have Joshua Hall-Bachner (who managed to use the word SEVERAL times in his message, to drive home his point). >I'm wondering the same thing...but that doesn't mean Andy didn't say it. >Anyone who hasn't heard the "drunken jam sessions" probably wouldn't >imagine Andy saying, "C'mon, you fucking assholes, get a move on..." Yes, I can imagine Andy saying 'how many people can you mind-f*** at once' but i can also imagine my dad saying it, my colleagues at work, my ex-wife, and my shrink. but that doesn't make it noteworthy. it was a pointless quote that had nothing to do with the rest of her message. it should have been followed by 'heh heh.... heh heh.' further, he says >It's said by Andy. It's funny. Oh, forgot. Andy is God. had we quoted him as saying 'Charmin is squeezably soft' then it would have been a QUALITY tagline? Puh-leeze. >So basically, your point is that, instead of having other people tell us >that we can't use "profanity" or discuss certain things, we should not do >those things and impose censorship on ourselves? That's silly. The people >trying to censor the Internet are 100% wrong according to the Bill of Rights >and the Supreme Court has set precedent by rejecting the Communications >Decency Act. If you wanna talk about how GOVERNMENT can do things that are 'wrong' and get away with it, please refer to Service, Internal Revenue. Anyone wanna show me where it is in the Constitution that the gov can set up a 'service' that operates without regard to law, etc.... you see my point. the issue here is not whether it is 'right' for someone to censor the Internet, the point is that they CAN. And when stuff like this is tossed about, even innocently, even without malice, it only gives the Tippers of the world that much more to work with. Had the quote added something to her message, had her quote been clever, had it been WITTY (which is what I think of when i think of Andy's quotes), then you would have never heard from me. >merely using words like "shit," "fuck"...what's wrong with that? People do >it all the time. It's part of the language. Don't get me wrong. There are MUCH worse things going on with the Internet than a bunch of people using language that is socially regarded as 'vulgar.' MUCH worse. But that is still no excuse. Mark Fisher took me to task as well.... >The implication is that instead of being censored by someone else, we >should do the censoring ourselves. By the same logic, homosexuals should >act less gay for fear of angering homophobics; black people should bleach >their skin so as not to upset white racists; and the disabled should stay >indoors for fear of alarming the able-bodied. You censor yourself every day when you are in a social situation where you should not use certain language. homosexuals, blacks, and the disabled, and any other analagous group you wish to name in this rather silly diatribe, cannot and should not 'change their ways' because they may offend certain groups. the decision to be black, or disabled, or homosexual, is not the same as the decision to say the f-word in public. and, believe it or not, when you write something for consumption on the Internet, you are talking in PUBLIC. >"Oh, but I was only talking about swearing," will no doubt be Jes's >defense. But what exactly is it about a combination of four letters that so >offends? Don't ask me. Ask your mother. Ask your boss. Ask the guys who regulate the stuff that goes over the airwaves. For some reason, there are certain words that bother people. And, in certain company, i simply try to avoid using them. For instance, there is a word that starts with C that I would dearly love to use right now, but decorum prevents me from doing so. And Amanda herself decided to respond to me, but she did it through e-mail which leads me to think she wants to keep it out of the newsgroup. which is why i would like the thread to end, thanks. sorry for being such a stick in the mud. fortunately for me, if this newsgroup were to shut down, if the entire Internet were to come crashing down around our shoulders, i would not be affected other than to have to make more phone calls than i do at this time. As for Paul Fox, I believe he produced the final Sugarcubes album. It had their big MTV thing on it. Can't recall the name, all I remember was that it was imminently dancable, but very bland.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:58:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199610082258.PAA18126@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> From: tpeters6@ix.netcom.com (Troy Clark Peters) Subject: Heads and Giants Hey Chalkbuddies, October 8 was a banner day for U.S. chalkies. Today, They Might Be Giants' "Factory Showroom" came out, including "XTC vs. Adam Ant". The Heads' "No Talking Just Head" also came out, including Andy co- writing and singing on "Papersnow". Bottom line: Andy's song is sublime, a wonderful lyric especially. As if you needed to be told that. Most of the rest of the Heads thing is completely forgetable. There are a few okay tracks, but mostly it's way too tuneless. I dig the new TMBG heavily, on the other hand. "XTC vs. Adam Ant" is fun. The whole thing is charming. *Important announcement* If you don't want to plunk down sixteen bucks for either of these, e-mail me your XTC list and I will trade for any and all of both CDs, as well as selections from the rest of my XTC stuff. Or just wait six months. The Heads album will no doubt be kicking around in cut-out bins for $2.99 before you know it... If nobody else does it before me, I'll post the "Papersnow" lyrics to the web page. Love to all my Chalkhills pals, Troy Peters tpeters6@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:24:49 +0800 (SST)
Message-Id: <199610090024.IAA01257@mailh1a.cyberway.com.sg>
From: Kevin M Mathews <mathews@cyberway.com.sg>
Subject: JASON FALKNER
Have submitted a review of the excellent Jason
Falkner debut to BigO mag. Interested parties can e-mail me. Will be doing
one on Fossil Fuels soon.
Cheers, Kevin.
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